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On this special live episode of The Vonu Podcast, hosted on the P.A.Z.NIA Radio Network, we dive deep into the coming solar-powered, mesh network connected, bitcoin reality with Shadrach, and his colleague, Polycarp.

They are doing great work in physical space and time, whether building out digital infrastructure, investigating alternative energy, and building citadels, the hardcore bitcoiner version of a P.A.Z.NIA node.
Thane Riddle (host of Cloak & Dagger) also called in for this hugely important discussion.
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SHOW GUIDE:
- Shadrach starts with his background: his early days in the Internet, and how the initial infrastructure was peer-to-peer & free (as in freedom)
- Early philosophical roots in objectivism, capitalism, and libertarianism, but watching the Waco compound being burnt down on TV with his new daughter took his interest in these topics to a whole new level
- Bitcoin has changed a lot since I got into it (a decade or so), and it’s changed even more in the past few years: Shadrach’s thoughts on the changing landscape and where we’re at today with Samourai and Tornado Cash cases
- Shadrach actually started in Monero until he got into commercial bitcoin mining; then became a “philosophical maximalist”, until attending MidFest and seeing folks paying in Goldbacks, silver, etc., but not interested in bitcoin
- The necessary merging of the P.A.Z.NIA Departments of Transportation and Communications — communications infrastructure starting on major areas of transportation
- Shadrach discusses his citadel network, logistics network, remote outposts, etc.
- Shadrach talks about his recent trip over to Europe and meeting the hardcore cypherpunks there; great lessons on developing proxy systems
- Thane Riddle calls in: asks for Shadrach’s thoughts about Reticulum, issues with Meshtashtic
- Tokenized/monetized mesh networking?
- Mesh networks: merging high tech with low tech. Is there potential/possibility/use in going from Meshtastic to shortwave radio, Meshtastic to AM/FM, etc.?
- Thane: there is certainly use for shortwave radio. Long range with equipment anyone can get their hands on; problem is it’s regulated
- Me: P.A.Z.NIA Radio Network, coming on shortwave radio soon
- All of us: interested in alternative energy, going through lots of R&D
- Polycarp, Shadrach’s associate, joins to discuss what they’re working on — mesh networks, BitChat, running this equipment off of biofuels
- I introduce Shadrach & Polycarp to Sky Huddleston, the Bourke engine, the Liberator Rocket Heater, & coming Tesla Turbine
- Polycarp: this push for sovereignty is holistic. You can’t be sovereign if someone else is holding your data, gatekeeping your food, health, etc.
- Me: considering the potentialities of the Bourke engine/breakthrough energy on bitcoin mining, and other paradigm shifts — we won’t be plugging our cars into our houses, we’ll be plugging our houses into our cars
- Shadrach: it’s revolutionary. You can turn energy into bitcoin and it’s there forever, in stasis
- Polycarp: bitcoin is unlocking AVAILABLE energy — how do you get energy from point A to B efficiently? Bitcoin unlocks this
- Thane: we just need to bridge Meshtastic to Reticulum
- Shadrach & PolyCarp: CashU/ECash potentials — WOW! Just wow.
- Example of off-grid, health-focused restaurant, wherein folks mint their own coins to pay (bitcoin-based)

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